Yep the left is saying GW would rather spend Billions in Iraq then Increase the social medicine Agenda. I am saying that many of the Poor I know that accept hand outs drive better cars than many of the people I know, they go to better colleges and Have a Wii and an X Box for their Plasma TV's!

I am giving you the chance to List Items you think the "poor" would rather spend money on than pay for thier Own Childrens health coverage!
Sorry Plank they get those for free as well and subsidized beyond belief!
Massive I grew Up close to Newark NJ and Knew a lot of Poor Whites Blacks and Hispanic...... Nice try though Skippy
The Poor include my cousin a single Mom, The Husban never married Her and yet lives there! Hmmm A new BMW sits in her Driveway and She gets Food stamps Making 55K per year because she has 3 kids. If it was not for the Healthcare provided By her job she would Quit and sit home watching Opra! She would tell you that herself and HAS! The perfect Socialist She Hopes to get NHS so she can quit!

1. drugs
2. Cell phones
3. Liquor
4. Cigarettes
5. Pimped out rides
6. Gold chains & jewelry
7. Leather jackets
8. Ipods
9. X boxes
10. ANYTHING for them as opposed to their kids. After all, the GOVERNMENT is paying them to have kids AND paying for all their kid's living expenses. They get FREE

1. breakfast at school
2. free lunch
3. free field trips
4. NEVER have school fees (I paid $500 for a PUBLIC school fee this Sept. to start the year)
5. AFDC
6. Boys and girls club FREE activities
7. Get in free to major sporting events
8. Free clothes if parents don't dress them well from shcool
9. Free healthcare
10.. Free college

ALL THE THINGS I HAVE TO PAY FOR

Shelter, food and clothing ?

How many truly poor do you know, skippy??? Poor wolud rather buy food, medicine, cloths.you know no poor, just what Rush feeds you.

A night out at the bar of their choice.

That's why you move to Canada so you don't need to pay for health insurance and you can buy whatever you want.

a Olde English 800 - 40 ouncer and a pack of Luckies.

Yadda yaadda, yadda..........yea I know TG, the one size fits all neocon personality.

Don't you know that is a basic communist principle, that all people need to be the same, think the same, have the same personal responsibility, go lock step with the party? Don't you find it troubling that you are closer to being a communist then being an American?

Peace

Jim

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woah there... according to the u.s. census and the data from agencies who actually serve the "poor", the "poor" are mostly children, single mothers, the elderly, and people who are not able to work due to a severe disability... granted, the standard of living of the u.s. poor is way higher than most of the world... but, it's difficult to understand why the u.s. - the most prosperous nation in the world - resist universal health care, especially for children!

I had a renter one time that had declared bankruptcy, had difficulty staying current with rent.. I one day got the "leaky faucet" call and went to look at it. They had a brand new 50" big screen TV.

He drank like a fish abused his wife, and kids, and was shaking on a job.

The mentality that the "state" will take care of people has to be stopped some how. With immigration issues, the number of people voting and a balance of power is beginning to tip in favor of people who use government services over people who pay the bill.
Soon most people except the wealthiest 10% will experience poverty as the result of this balance of power shift.


75% of americans are in debt trouble. If our country takes a down turn and things truly go south many people will not know how to live.

Health coverage is part of life. Either you need to be insured or you need to be setting cash aside for emergencies.

I should have to pay for my healthcare and that of my wife and children, BUT I should NOT and SHOULD NEVER have to pay for anyone elses.. Hillary Care, S-CHP and other programs are legalized theft in my view.

My spouse works with 'clients' that have lived in generational poverty. Liberals have tried since the 1930s to force charitable giving through our taxes. It's high time all these entitlements end. Most middle income families are at the breaking point A. because of "stuff" bought on debt and B. the Tax Man.

Caught between the two few people can get enough steam to get the debt master/slave relationship stopped.

Most people have more "stuff" then they need, I've been in that category.

It's not just about healthcare it's about making good choices.

The US rate of savings after taxes is -2.2% while our counterparts in Japan are saving 18% after taxes.. What is the difference?
Americans 1st expenses
1. Mortgage
2. Car Payment
3. VISA / Amex Bills

When it should be
1. Food, Shelter, Clothing, Health
2. Savings,
3. Bills.

How can we expect a government who can't stay within a budget to tell people they need to stay within a budget.

2008 will be a pivotal election either we will slide further to the end of the Republic or we won't. I believe it's closing on the end of this chapter of the US. Someone will write a book about the decline and fall of the US Republic as they did with Rome, Greece and other great cultures throughout history and the crux of the issue was stated eloquontly in 1787:
About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature ; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."
"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years.
During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. >From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage "